The most notorious feats in 5th Edition D&D are Sharpshooter (SS) and Great Weapon Master (GWM). These feats are considered the most powerful because of a mechanic they share in common.
The RAW Mechanic
The GWM/SS mechanic allows a character to subtract 5 from their attack roll in exchange for adding 10 to their damage roll.
This effect is pronounced when the attacker rolls with advantage, which mitigates a fair portion of attack detriment. As a result, the GWM/SS problems can be exacerbated when combined with other feats that affect or simulate advantage. Elven Accuracy gives you an additional advantage die to roll when you have advantage (i.e. “superadvantage”). Lucky allows you to basically simulate advantage (or turn disadvantage into superadvantage, unless you’re playing RAI).
The Common “Fix”
The most popular “fix” I’ve seen for this problem is to change the math on the -attack/+damage mechanic. That’s a good place to start, but the devil is in the details.
The gut-check problem with these feats is that +10 is just a LOT of damage to add to a single attack at low levels. But, it seems less crazy at high levels. So people think the result is to scale the penalty/bonus. This is a little fiddly and atypical of 5e weapon damage design, but not a bad intuition.
A lot of homebrewers hear “scaling” and think “proficiency.” This is rooted in good design instincts, because it’s something that is pegged to and balanced around character level progression. So, they decide the penalty/bonus should be based around proficiency.
Well, you can’t just add proficiency to damage and subtract it from attack, because that’s going to make almost every attack worse. A flat attack bonus will generally outperform a flat damage bonus under 5e’s math.
Instead, they subtract proficiency from attack, and add double proficiency to damage.
This creates some issues.
The Problem With Proficiency
Homebrewers love shoehorning proficiency into everything, when they really shouldn’t. Proficiency should be a standard number added when you have proficiency in something. Otherwise, you are muddying the term, which can confuse players at the table.
Another issue is that classes and items are generally already balanced around including proficiency. When you add it somewhere else, it creates a multiplicative effect. Or, in the case of a GWM/SS “fix” that subtracts proficiency from attack, it “zeroes out” the bonus. You never really experience the penalty, since it is matched with commensurate proficiency increases.
Generally, there are better candidates in the cases of items. In keeping with design convention, a number of charges should be fixed to a flat number. If you want scaling, then using an ability modifier can promote player choice.
Unless you have a really creative implementation, you should avoid leveraging proficiency for other design purposes.
The Problem With the “Fix”
You haven’t changed the ratio.
You’re reducing the attack penalty, which has a greater impact on damage output than an equivalent damage bonus. This takes all the guesswork out of using the feat. Instead of a tactical choice, it becomes an “always on” mode. Let’s see how this bears out in the feats.
For the purposes of Sharpshooter, we’re going to make a few assumptions to simplify the math:
- You take Sharpshooter at Level 4 (no Vuman).
- You max Dexterity after taking Sharpshooter.
- You have the Archery fighting style.
These numbers will change a bit if you’re playing a Rogue, who can’t get access to the fighting style, and has a lot more damage dice to account for. In general, Rogues prefer to make sure they hit so they can proc sneak attack, so reducing your attack odds is not a good idea. If you’re building around Sharpshooter, you should look into Fighter or Ranger instead.
We need to examine the progression every time we get an attack or damage boost:
- Level 4 (Sharpshooter feat)
- Level 5 to 7 (Proficiency Boost)
- Level 8 (ASI boost Dexterity to 18)
- Level 9 to 11 (Proficiency Boost)
- Level 12 (ASI boost Dexterity to 20)
- Level 13 to 16 (Proficiency Boost)
- Level 17 to 20 (Proficiency Boost)
The problem is that the fix smooths out the curve across the armor classes. So instead of becoming a great tool for one-shotting low-AC mooks, it deals double or triple the damage against high-AC foes. Since Sharpshooter previously presented a tactical decision only against high-AC foes, the change makes it so that “always on” should be the default.
Notably, when you hit Level 13, the math is identical to Sharpshooter. When you get your last proficiency boost at level 17, the curve slightly inverts and the “fix” becomes more useful against low-AC targets and less useful against high-AC targets. However, by this tier, Sharpshooter is pretty much “always on” anyhow, so the change is making little tactical difference. The numbers are also very close.
Great Weapon Master
The numbers bear out in a similar way for Great Weapon Master (GWM). We need to run them a little differently. Unlike Sharpshooter, it’s hard to make safe assumptions here. You might be running a Fighter/Paladin with a fighting style or you might be running a Barbarian with Rage damage. Either way, these add a damage boost, unlike Archery, which adds an attack bonus to mitigate the attack penalty of Sharpshooter.
Since these myriad variables are hard to parse, let’s just take a look at a plain 2d6 weapon with no fighting style at level 8 for illustration:
Generally, with lower attack bonuses and higher damage dice, the AC benchmark where it makes sense to use the feat gets lower. Lower attack bonuses mean you are suffering a relatively greater detriment from the attack penalty. Higher damage makes it more important to hit, since a smaller percentage of your damage is coming from the boost.
When applying this to the GWM “fix,” we really see where the tactical decision comes into play. It can be really damaging to use the feat against the wrong foe. Since the “fix” smooths out that dynamic, it removes most of the situations in which you would have to make a tactical decision. Otherwise, it mitigates the mistake you would make by making a tactical blunder.
If you want to run your own numbers, head over to the ThinkDM Patreon, where you can get the full calculator used to make the charts in this post.
8 thoughts on “That Broken GWM/SS “Fix””
Interesting, thanks for the number breakdown.
Would it be a more sensible “fix” for GWM/SS to keep the original numbers, but restrict the power attack to once per turn?
I haven’t personally tested that, but some folks like the idea!
I do have a complaint about these charts tho, they are comparing a regular attack with a Sharpshooter attack without taking into account that the regular attack without taking the Sharpshooter feat would likely be +1 higher atk/dam (because of the ASI instead going into the main stat) between 4th and 11th level. Obviously they are more focused on differences between attacks if you have taken the feat, but I’d like to see how this homebrew nerf does in comparison to just taking the +1 at level 4 to the main stat.
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The purpose of the analysis was to examine the value of the feature for a player who has taken the feat. It was not to compare the strength of Sharpshooter/Great Weapon Master against an ASI. I wrote some articles on that back in 2018.
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I mean, the problem most people have with GWM or SS is the huge damage buff at lower levels. Minus proficiency is indeed a fix for that.
I’d also argue that few creatures have a high enough AC for GWM or SS to not just be an “always on” option. If you are better of using it unless fighting someone in full plate, that’s not a very tactical decision to make.
These charts completely ignore magic items (most commonly +1 or +2 weapons) which it shouldn’t. A character is going to have a magic weapon by level 4 or 5 and the +1 bonus to attack is going to do more for SS/GWM, inflating those even more.
In my experience, groups that work together will try to empower SS/GWM PCs with things like Bardic Inspiration or Faerie Fire. At low levels, where most games are played, these PCs can turn into murder machines that can ruin adventure encounters. The “fix” does a decent job of trying to help with that.
These feats also hurt encounter design since low AC monsters get slaughtered by SS/GWM.
This page includes a lot of math which are all correct. The change of proficiency bonus only changes the angle of the curve a little and makes soo that it isn’t as efficient to deal with low AC monsters and becomes isn’t soo awfull against high CR monsters.
The thing is that’s exactly what the “fix” is trying to do, make it not random. The page talks about how it reduces the choice, but 90% of the time it won’t have a choice, you’ll just attack with GWM because it’s more fun. YOU WANT TO USE THE FEAT.
Now what happens when someone always use the feat. Well in low levels it happens that you’re either useless in combat because you don’t hit, or the combat ends much sooner than expected because +10 to damage is way too big of an increase at that level.